[Atron]

Man im gonna suck now on madden with vick not around anymore T__T.

[xsilentangel]

^ hah my friend was saying the exact same thing..

well, vick's done for.. =T

[x Bass Hero x]

It's sad when humans value the life of a dog more than the life of another human being. Leonard Little got to play after killing a human due to drunk driving. But was he banned from playing again? No. What Vick did was horrible, but he should be given another chance after he serves his sentence. Everyone deserves a second chance. The reception he's going to get playing on the road will be bad enough.

[epark1281]

It's sad when humans value the life of a dog more than the life of another human being. Leonard Little got to play after killing a human due to drunk driving. But was he banned from playing again? No. What Vick did was horrible, but he should be given another chance after he serves his sentence. Everyone deserves a second chance. The reception he's going to get playing on the road will be bad enough.

Different level of publicity, different era in football (the bengals era), and different commish.

[FusionGT2]

It's sad when humans value the life of a dog more than the life of another human being. Leonard Little got to play after killing a human due to drunk driving. But was he banned from playing again? No. What Vick did was horrible, but he should be given another chance after he serves his sentence. Everyone deserves a second chance. The reception he's going to get playing on the road will be bad enough.

I strongly agree. Society as a whole are like puppets. They loved him when he performed for them and when he's commited a crime he is hated and criticized as if he killed someone. How many ppl in society are 100% innocent? Who has never done a crime in their life whether it be petty theft or something more serious? Get realistic here. Like everyone else, though, I do not condone dog fighting, but his crime wont go unpunished. After he does his time, I believe ppl should welcome him back with open arms and help him get back on his feet and learn from his mistakes (which he will have a lot of time to think about in the slammer). I also believe he should be given a 2nd chance at playing again. How many players in the NFL have broken the law to some extent and still given the right to play? And it should be noted that Vick is a 1st time offender. He should be given a chance to redeem himself after doing his time to come back and get his life back together along with hours of community service. It's just the right thing to do in my honest opinion.

Quoted by Stephen Marbury of the NY Knicks:
"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

"There is no list for which animals should be killed and which shouldn't. I love animals and none of them should be harmed. However, we don't react the same when other animals are being killed for sport or the sake of human pleasure."

[Trungy]

I strongly agree. Society as a whole are like puppets. They loved him when he performed for them and when he's commited a crime he is hated and criticized as if he killed someone. How many ppl in society are 100% innocent? Who has never done a crime in their life whether it be petty theft or something more serious? Get realistic here. Like everyone else, though, I do not condone dog fighting, but his crime wont go unpunished. After he does his time, I believe ppl should welcome him back with open arms and help him get back on his feet and learn from his mistakes (which he will have a lot of time to think about in the slammer). I also believe he should be given a 2nd chance at playing again. How many players in the NFL have broken the law to some extent and still given the right to play? And it should be noted that Vick is a 1st time offender. He should be given a chance to redeem himself after doing his time to come back and get his life back together along with hours of community service. It's just the right thing to do in my honest opinion.

Quoted by Stephen Marbury of the NY Knicks:
"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

"There is no list for which animals should be killed and which shouldn't. I love animals and none of them should be harmed. However, we don't react the same when other animals are being killed for sport or the sake of human pleasure."

Just because it is impossible for someone to be completely civic throughout his life does not mean he cannot condemn Michael Vick for his crimes. Just because I stole $5 does not mean I'm not allowed to bash and criticize Michael Vick for what he did.

Yes, you are right. Fans are very fickle. But again, he owned property where he knowingly allowed dog fighting to exist. How could you not condemn his actions? Dogs are very sacred in the western culture. To a lot of people, dog fighting as a sport is as barbaric as pitting two innocent people into a cage to fight until death (note: whether or not it actually is like that does not defer the point that I'm trying to make).

And dog fighting is very different than hunting for sport. Hunting for sport does not place two innocent animals to fight against each other. Again, it is barbaric.

[knockblock]

Man im gonna suck now on madden with vick not around anymore T__T.

I hear other people playing Madden changed his name.

[FusionGT2]

Just because it is impossible for someone to be completely civic throughout his life does not mean he cannot condemn Michael Vick for his crimes. Just because I stole $5 does not mean I'm not allowed to bash and criticize Michael Vick for what he did.

Yes, you are right. Fans are very fickle. But again, he owned property where he knowingly allowed dog fighting to exist. How could you not condemn his actions? Dogs are very sacred in the western culture. To a lot of people, dog fighting as a sport is as barbaric as pitting two innocent people into a cage to fight until death (note: whether or not it actually is like that does not defer the point that I'm trying to make).

And dog fighting is very different than hunting for sport. Hunting for sport does not place two innocent animals to fight against each other. Again, it is barbaric.

I also feel hunting deer, rabbit, and geese/quail for sport is barbaric. Imagine shooting ppl dead for fun as sport? No punishment there. Why not condemn those people? America makes no sense.

[Trungy]

I also feel hunting deer, rabbit, and geese/quail for sport is barbaric. Imagine shooting ppl dead for fun as sport? No punishment there. Why not condemn those people? America makes no sense.

My take on why there is a difference is because hunting is a tradition that has been practiced since the beginning of time of humans. Not saying that everything that was practiced in the past isn't vulgar, but hunting has a long tradition that has survived many, many generations. As for dog fighting, dog fighting itself is gory and brutal as (usually) two malnourished dogs are pitted against each other until one of them has been injured badly or, worse, dead.

Now, is it a sport like Stephan Marbury said? Geez, that's a really difficult question. I remember thinking about this last night, and I immediately thought that it isn't. That's just not what a sport should be. However, wouldn't you call wrestling a sport? What about mixed martial arts competitions? What about boxing? Hell, this is an NFL thread.. isn't it barbaric for us to put 21 players onto a field of grass and run against each other at a force that has severely injured thousands, maybe millions of lives in the past century? There are a lot of sports that are vulgar and crude, yet most people don't bat an eye.

No matter how you put it, this Vick controversy is one of the biggest any sport has faced.

I think that when innocent animals are malnourished, put into danger, and are killed for sport, the person or people involved should be chastised. Why isn't hunting as controversial sport as dog fighting is? Maybe because dog fighting is illegal, and it is a closed-door, underground event that is thought of as mysterious and sketchy, whereas hunting is a televised, legal "sport". Most likely it is because dogs are thought of as man's best friend; dogs just aren't suppose to be fighting; dogs are pets or workers, not game. How terrible of a person can Vick be if he can treat such revered pets in such a poor manner? (not my words, but I'm sure that's what people are thinking)

Also, while Vick isn't the crime boss in this controversy, he is the biggest name. Authorities are making an example out of him. Is that fair? I don't know who said it, but.. don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Krn_Track_Star]

well this is my word on everything. as for i stand is this i like vick and alwayz liked vick i even has his jersey but he did wuz outragous like people said u should not force ne thing into killing each other in no shape or form. for example, in history wen rome ruled most of the eastern world they had put slaves into fighting each other more like dog fighting expect it is actually human who fight each other. it wuz a nasty bloody scene after the fight peoples head's arm, legs, ne part of their body would just be on the floor n wut did people back in those days say about it nothing they enjoyed it but their wuz one person who everyone should knoe by the name if cesar augustus who was it wuz wrong for putting slaves into battle 1 another wen they can just serve the their masters or even help rome with their army n he had banned slaves from fighting n killing each other.

this is just like dog fighting. dog fighting should be ne allowed if the dogs dont even want to fight. they dont want to hurt ne one they just want to help there masters in wut ever they do. dogs are said to be man's best friend n i believe it. i have serveral dogs n there are days when they get mad at each other but there just like humans in a couple of hours they would just be happy again with each other n wen ever i get home from a huge long day they would wag their tail n be soo happy to see me. now the question is this would u want to be forced to do something u dont want to? the answer is no isnt it. who does want to be forced into something they dont want to do. it like this with dogs. there some thing they do not want to do n dog fighting can be one of them. i have seen videos from the news where dogs like pit bulls are licking eaching other n not wantign to fight but their owners are making them fight n i seen dogs just sit their take the pain because they dont want to fight.

i think vick should not given a second chance at football because his image is now tained forever. he knew wut he wuz doing wuz against the law n decided to go ahead n do it. there is no such thing as a where a person says i didnt knoe it wuz against the law. vick clearly knew it wuz against he law but he went n had done it. so he should do his time n never get to play football again.

its sad because i really like him as a football player he revolutionized the qb position. he wuz a double threat he can run the ball or pass the ball. look where he took the falcons 4 years ago int he playoffs against the packers. he passed for over 200 yards n rush for 100 yards in that game n look wut he did 2 years ago wen he lead the team to a 11-5 record n made it to the nfc championship against the eagles n he still passed for 200 yards n rushed for 96 yards in the loss but either way i think he messed up his life n career n should be banned. there is only 1 chance in life so y give this guy a second chance in life we he already wasted his.

[tomjones]

dogfighting is wrong. but did anyone read the papers from his court case? he participated in torturing these animals by drowning, electrocution and beating. that's what disgusts me. i think dogfighting is wrong but when i read about the things he did i definitely believed he deserved some sort of punishment.
if anyone believes his case is about race is incredibly ignorant. no one in the forums but towards the oscar winners and other sport athletes that "didnt know" dogfighting is wrong. how can anyone not know killing dogs and basically torturing them to the point of death is wrong? do they need a demonstration. you shoot a deer, and it's dead. michael vick supported and funded dogs fighting eachother to their deaths and not only that they were beaten along the way. a dog doesn't perform up to par so michael vick drowns the dog. they were tortured HELLO those deers were not tortured! i'm not saying dogfighting is worse then deer hunting i'm just saying you can not compare what michael vick did to a "sport" like hunting. that's just ignorant! seriously how are you a grown man and not know and i'm a young woman but i know beating and torturing dogs to fight eachother is wrong. HELLOO go to jail vick it'll shut up everyone up and go play for any NFL europe team or something.



let's go giants! haha

[epark1281]

unlike a lot of people here, i happen to have no problem with Vick making a comeback.
I don't agree with dogfighting in two regards; no animal or living thing should be forced to fight, even if it's not to the death, with each other; and dogfighting is usually associated with illegal betting.
What bothers me more about this case is that
A. Vick participated in the torturing and killing (cruel, by any measure or standard) of these Dogs. Making them fight is one thing, killing them when they loose is another.
B. Vick funded the whole thing so i'm sure he came out a financial winner in all this.
C. Vick flat out lied to the Falcons, the fans, and the media.

Aside from all that, i don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to make a comeback. He's a "buyer beware" package deal. You can get lighting in a bottle, but he'll come at a PR price.
We fans are a fickle group. I'm almost guaranteeing you that in 3 months, Vick will be forgotten and we'll be talking about how T.O.'s ticked about not getting enough passes, Chad Johnson's endzone celebrations, Adrian Peterson, etc. etc.
And when Vick's jail time and suspension is over, fans will say, "oh, that Vick guy? yea, maybe he'd make a good backup for MY team".

[x Bass Hero x]

Vick should play for the Raiders or the Cowboys. I would still watch him because he's the most exciting quarterback in the NFL. He deserves a second chance.

[HERMIT]

Vick should play for the Raiders or the Cowboys. I would still watch him because he's the most exciting quarterback in the NFL. He deserves a second chance.

Interesting point. Davis and Jones are just the type of owners to take on Vick as a reclamation project should he be allowed to return to the NFL and the Falcons don't want him back (which brings up another question - would Atlanta still hold his rights after he's served out his time?)

Personally, I would find it humorously ironic if Vick's comeback landed him in Cleveland as a Brown. I wonder how well the Dawg Pound would welcome him..

[x Bass Hero x]

Interesting point. Davis and Jones are just the type of owners to take on Vick as a reclamation project should he be allowed to return to the NFL and the Falcons don't want him back (which brings up another question - would Atlanta still hold his rights after he's served out his time?)

Personally, I would find it humorously ironic if Vick's comeback landed him in Cleveland as a Brown. I wonder how well the Dawg Pound would welcome him..

Hahaha. Well the Browns suck and have been sucking for many years. If he takes them to the playoffs they will love him as much as Lebron. Ok maybe not. But they will gladly accept him.

[knockblock]

What games is everyone going to be getting this sunday?

Here is a map for what games will be shown in each region http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/


I live in Oregon. So I will get these games. For CBS, New England @ NY Jets. For Fox, Philadelphia @ Green Bay and Tampa Bay @ Seattle.

[LolitaMan]

I also feel hunting deer, rabbit, and geese/quail for sport is barbaric. Imagine shooting ppl dead for fun as sport? No punishment there. Why not condemn those people? America makes no sense.

lmao! Hey kid you are seriously stupid for even taking the side of marbury. There's no comparison at all in your argument. What vick did is ILLEGAL while hunting is NOT! Get that in your head please. That's like the lamest excuse for vick lol!


Hey trueskillz....I know it must suck to know your over-rated hero is a criminal

[Krn_Track_Star]

THE SEASON OPENS TONIGHT.

COLTS VS SAINTS.

i predict 31-21 win for the colts.

[HERMIT]

Man im gonna suck now on madden with vick not around anymore T__T.

Ironically, Vick will now have plenty of free time to just play Madden all day. In fact, it could very well be the only way he can actually play football again.

[LolitaMan]

Wow what a blow-out! that jason david guy really got picked on.....embarrassing performance by the saints