[onesh0t]

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i'm sadden by farve's retirement. I was hoping deeply that he'd stay at least one more season since he had such an awesome season...but everyone knew it was coming soon.

[Krn_Track_Star]

hahah the funny thing about favre retirement is that people believe he retired because they did not get randy moss. HAHAHA. i dont like favre because he beat the patriots in superbowl 31 but i have to admit he wuz one heck of a QB props to him for playing that long.


i just cant get over the fact that he retired because of the packers not signing randy moss.

moss signs with the patriots mid-day monday n favre calls the packers monday night saying he is retiring after seeing randy moss resigned with the pats.


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80707cbe (vid of nfl network people talking about it).


n limbo i agree with u but i mean the pats could of tried to persuade im to staying =( but then again they got jason webster from the bills =).

[heartbreakkid]

The Packers had a good receiving group. I don't think Moss would have fit with GB. I'm surprised Favre lasted that long considering how beat up he always got. I guess we're spoiled fans for getting to watch him every week for the past 16 seasons and it'll be something different this next season. I expected the Packers to challenge for the super bowl but we'll see how Rodgers will come along.

[Krn_Track_Star]

The Packers had a good receiving group. I don't think Moss would have fit with GB. I'm surprised Favre lasted that long considering how beat up he always got. I guess we're spoiled fans for getting to watch him every week for the past 16 seasons and it'll be something different this next season. I expected the Packers to challenge for the super bowl but we'll see how Rodgers will come along.

well i believe moss could have. i mean people said moss would of not had fit in NE but look at wut he put up. i think truely that if moss game that favre would of came back for 1 more season because he had a superstar reciever who can take him to the big one.

[heartbreakkid]

Oh there's no question Moss and Favre would have made a good combination(not as good as Moss and Brady though) but the situation with NE and GB are different. New England's team was full of veterans and their receiving group was basically started over from scratch. Green Bay had the youngest team in the NFL and their receivers were all mostly 1st or 2nd year players. Donald Driver was the unquestioned leader of the Packers receiving group. Who's to say Moss wouldn't have come in and been a negative influence on the team? The Patriots could have kept him in check. I don't think Favre would have done the same and Driver would have had issues/problems with Moss. Before the season the Packers management said to Moss that they wanted him in Green Bay but they asked him to check his attitude at the door and not disturb the chemistry Driver was already establishing with the group. Anyone can say that's a load of crap and Green Bay wasted away a chance to get one of the most talented receiver to play the game. But you have to understand it was about Moss not being able to "be the man" and his lack of wanting to keep his attitude problem in check. Isn't that why he was traded twice? Shouldn't most players be professional about this? I mean Jerry Rice is no question one of the best receivers of all time. When he went to Oakland, he didn't try to disrupt anything the receivers had already established. We're not talking about the most productive receiver(cuz moss would have obviously been it for GB), we're talking about "being the man."

Had the Packers pulled the trade back then, no question Moss and Driver would have been the #1 and #2 receivers on the team. We might not have had a breakout year from Greg Jennings and even James Jones and Ruvell Martin were productive at times. I feel good about the future of our receivers(until Driver retires that is) but I wouldn't have been able to see them grow from experience if Moss was playing. Having said all that, maybe it could have happened. Maybe things could have worked out and who knows what would have happen. Maybe Favre would have had the record setting season instead of Brady and won a 4th MVP or even the Super Bowl and quite possibly return this upcoming season instead of retire. But I still think the situation turned out better for both organizations. Just my opinion.

Oh yeah just wanted to add about the Moss situation with GB. If you were the GM for any team, would you not question the person's attitude and motives? Consider that your team is very young, Packers or Portland Trail Blazers for instance(yes its not football but its related). Would you trade for Moss and get a 1600 yard, 100+ catch, 20 touch down season or say Ron Artest and get a 25 ppg, 5 rebound, 3 assist season and risk them disrupting team chemistry?

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true that moss had a attitude problem but didnt he say he matured over the years. i mean look at T.O for dallas. he wuz just like moss n yet he turned out good in dallas because he said he had matured. i mean t.o is a different story because mcnabb called him out yeah n remember wut kind of person favre is. he isnt the type to talke crap either. he enjoys playing the game which i truely respect. i believe farve wuz the only person day after day alwayz smiling about plays good or bad but if they had got moss favre would of had him smile n not take the game soo seriously. enjoy it while your there. also one thing about moss that showed he matured is that he didnt wine n have a attitude because when he wasnt getting the ball this year in the playoffs he just there is next time for him to get me the ball. u can say well he didnt have a attitude because they were winning but werent the vikings winning also when he wuz there with culpepper. i mean they went like 12-4 n moss had a attitude in the playoffs because he wasnt getting the ball back then. even though they won that playoff game as for moss making a impact. i believe he would of help the young kids at g.b develop because look at wut moss did with the pats. welker had the most catches in frachise history n stallworth had a pretty good year. true that the other WR for gb numbers would of went down but i believe moss would of freed them up. u can imagine DD, RM at the WR. wouldnt that have been scary if it actually happened.

some times to get better u gotta gamble a bit. look at the dolphins right now. they gambling there hearts out trying to get better n it just might work n the packers had to have done that.



on the other note im soo happy moss stayed because i wuz getting soo nervous that he wuz going to leave =).

[GO!zilla]

raiders get deangelo hall from the falcons... they have a really decent looking team right now...

[Krn_Track_Star]

raiders get deangelo hall from the falcons... they have a really decent looking team right now...

yeah wen i heard this i wuz like omg no way n wen i heard he wuz gonna get paid a little less than samuel i wuz like man datz y the pats could get him to much money.

[truexskills]

hahah the funny thing about favre retirement is that people believe he retired because they did not get randy moss. HAHAHA. i dont like favre because he beat the patriots in superbowl 31 but i have to admit he wuz one heck of a QB props to him for playing that long.


i just cant get over the fact that he retired because of the packers not signing randy moss.

moss signs with the patriots mid-day monday n favre calls the packers monday night saying he is retiring after seeing randy moss resigned with the pats.


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80707cbe (vid of nfl network people talking about it).


n limbo i agree with u but i mean the pats could of tried to persuade im to staying =( but then again they got jason webster from the bills =).

jason webster is trash. thats all ill say
and i feel both good and bad about the deangelo trade..

1. i originally felt that we couldve gotten more value for him..but ia lso knew his big mouth would drop his value
2. he's an annual pro bowl cb..and without himw e have an even weaker secondary..sure we have two first rounders in there, but neither one oef them have panned out yet so who knows what'll happen
3. i wish we had gotten michael huff from the raiders as well.

[Krn_Track_Star]

jason webster is trash. thats all ill say
and i feel both good and bad about the deangelo trade..

1. i originally felt that we couldve gotten more value for him..but ia lso knew his big mouth would drop his value
2. he's an annual pro bowl cb..and without himw e have an even weaker secondary..sure we have two first rounders in there, but neither one oef them have panned out yet so who knows what'll happen
3. i wish we had gotten michael huff from the raiders as well.

i think jason webster is pretty good. he can cover pretty well itz just he has been injured all the time n hardly played.

hall is like a mini t.o because he wants all the attention but im sure if he starts winning he will be quiet. =)

[truexskills]

i think jason webster is pretty good. he can cover pretty well itz just he has been injured all the time n hardly played.

hall is like a mini t.o because he wants all the attention but im sure if he starts winning he will be quiet. =)

he was a system player in sf and got a bigger deal than the player he really is in atl and just sucked it up here...
they cal him burnt toast all the time..couldnt even handle 2nd string receivers..not fast or physical enough to start..maybe a decent nickel/dime back
and yeah but he's still an azzz

[limbo189]

raiders get deangelo hall from the falcons... they have a really decent looking team right now...

i dont know man... other than deangelo hall they signed a lot of medicore players for a lot of money....

[knockblock]

Season opening game announced. The Redskins and the Giants will be the first game of the regular season.

[Krn_Track_Star]

yeah i think this year the giants will lose again. i hope they dont win again but i call repeat of the pats going 16-0

[truexskills]

highly doubt that
its just so tough mentally knowing that they gutted out 19 weeks of near perfection just to lose by like 7
and to imagine going through everythig hey went though to get there again..

[Krn_Track_Star]

highly doubt that
its just so tough mentally knowing that they gutted out 19 weeks of near perfection just to lose by like 7
and to imagine going through everythig hey went though to get there again..

true but have u seen the pats schedule. 12 out of 16 games are against teams there were either .500 or below .500. rest of the four teams were good like the pit, ind, sea. so there chances of going 16-0 are high again n im sure tom brady wants to win another ring bad with moss. so i think they will go to the super bowl again.


http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?a...862&pcid=43

[limbo189]

yeah i think this year the giants will lose again. i hope they dont win again but i call repeat of the pats going 16-0

dude no offense... but no chance man.... the pats have lost quite a bit of players that were crucial to the team..... i just dont see them goign undefeated this season.. sure they will make the playoffs bc they are in a division with not much compeitition, but you never may know when the pats will choke in some game of the season (they almost did to baltimore, except for that stupid penalty at the end of the 4th quarter)

[Krn_Track_Star]

dude no offense... but no chance man.... the pats have lost quite a bit of players that were crucial to the team..... i just dont see them goign undefeated this season.. sure they will make the playoffs bc they are in a division with not much compeitition, but you never may know when the pats will choke in some game of the season (they almost did to baltimore, except for that stupid penalty at the end of the 4th quarter)

yeah but it wasnt there defense who led them to undefeated season it wuz tom brady and his offense and on offense they only lost stallworth who really didnt play a huge roll in the offense. if they lost welker or moss then it would of been a different story but they have almost everyone coming back on offense.

[limbo189]

yeah but it wasnt there defense who led them to undefeated season it wuz tom brady and his offense and on offense they only lost stallworth who really didnt play a huge roll in the offense. if they lost welker or moss then it would of been a different story but they have almost everyone coming back on offense.

well in my opinion it was both sides of the pats that led to a undefeated season... more credit is given to their offense... but i mean srsly their defense saved them a lot as well... they contained a lot of good offenses like the colts, steelers, jags, etc etc. now with all their losses in their defense (Randall Gay, Asante Samuel, Roosevelt Colvin, and most probably Junior Seau), and their oldass defense, they got some work to do

as for their offense, i have nothing to say.... i got to admit that they will still be strong but we will see. someone will get injured.. HAHA

[HERMIT]

well in my opinion it was both sides of the pats that led to a undefeated season... more credit is given to their offense... but i mean srsly their defense saved them a lot as well... they contained a lot of good offenses like the colts, steelers, jags, etc etc. now with all their losses in their defense (Randall Gay, Asante Samuel, Roosevelt Colvin, and most probably Junior Seau), and their oldass defense, they got some work to do

Yeah, I'd have to share the same sentiment here. Their offense may have been the reason for their undefeated run last year, but next season it'll likely be the defense being the reason why they won't be able to stay undefeated throughout the next campaign. They lost some key talent on the defensive side and they're going to have to shore up their depth with hopefully equal younger talent to fill in the vacancies. Even if they are able to accomplish that, there's still bound to be a transition period earlier in the year for the unit to jell with the new players - and coupled with this is the fact that every team they face will continue to gun for them and try to implement the same kind of tactics that appeared to be effective in slowing the Patriots in the later games of last season. Sometimes I good defense is to simply have a good enough offense to keep the ball out of Brady & Co. hands. And with a defense with new faces learning the ropes to along with the old faces now another year older, there is some window of opportunity there.

This is not to say that the Patriots aren't going to be great. In the weak AFC East, they should expect to dominate within the division. But to remain undefeated for another regular season? I'm still skeptical given the unknown variables on the defensive side of the ball.