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#2101 User is offline   xsilentangel 

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (LolitaMan @ May 9 2008, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's good to have more proof of those cheaters. Belicheat isn't that great of a coach afterall.... rolleyes.gif

And why the hell do I still have 20% warning level? I talked crap about michael jackson like years ago?!


Oh gosh still hating on the Patriots for that.
Sheesh when will you get over it.
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Posted 13 May 2008 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (xsilentangel @ May 13 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh gosh still hating on the Patriots for that.
Sheesh when will you get over it.


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Posted 13 May 2008 - 09:48 PM

man people still talking about spy gate and have u noticed the vids matt walshed showed wuz nothing that wasnt talked about or shown already.
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Posted 13 May 2008 - 11:50 PM

Too bad LolitaMan is still convinced that the Patriots are still cheaters.

According to Rod Stewart or w/e of the NFL network, the videos presented hardly showed much. Yes, there were signals shown but hardly enough to allow winning football games.
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Posted 14 May 2008 - 02:20 PM

BREAKING NEWS THE RAMS TAPING WUZ A FAKE STORY. yes the taping of the rams wuz a fake story made up by the media. i like it how they started brought this crap into such a deal and yet it wuz all fake. LOLZ. its stupid on what the media is willing to do to break a team down.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8084f841&template=with-video&confirm=true.


now there is the video that people say matt walsh had which wuz played yesterday and today and it showed nothing new and roger goodell stated the vids didnt prove they had the edge because he stated the signals defensive coordators make can alwayz be changed every week. he said its like baseball where they change signals everyday so the other teams dont find out what they are doing and he stated the nfl teams can do the same.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=9...mp;confirm=true
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Posted 14 May 2008 - 05:39 PM

You know what, there's another BREAKING STORY:
SPECTOR IS NOT DONE YET!

Seriously, he's a real douchebag. Even if I wasn't a Pat's fan, I could say wants to continue this for publicity purposes. What a loser.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 06:18 AM

QUOTE (philmein @ May 14 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what, there's another BREAKING STORY:
SPECTOR IS NOT DONE YET!

Seriously, he's a real douchebag. Even if I wasn't a Pat's fan, I could say wants to continue this for publicity purposes. What a loser.

I'm NOT a pats fan, and i'd like to see Belicheat and Kraft get submarined by Spector.
The 500k fine? What a joke. The Pats can EASILY restructure Bill's contract to make up for the fine. And loose a first round pick? When they had 2? My question is, why wasn't Bill suspended? Chris Henry and Pacman Jones got hammered by the league for off-field issues. This DIRECTLY affects the competative balance of a game. So why wasn't Bill suspended as well? And why were the tapes destroyed? And if all you're seeing is the same old evidence and nothing new came from meeting with Walsh, why did you need to meet for 3 hours?
Too many loose ends. I'm sorry. Bill is a cheater to me, period.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE (epark1281 @ May 16 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm NOT a pats fan, and i'd like to see Belicheat and Kraft get submarined by Spector.
The 500k fine? What a joke. The Pats can EASILY restructure Bill's contract to make up for the fine. And loose a first round pick? When they had 2? My question is, why wasn't Bill suspended? Chris Henry and Pacman Jones got hammered by the league for off-field issues. This DIRECTLY affects the competative balance of a game. So why wasn't Bill suspended as well? And why were the tapes destroyed? And if all you're seeing is the same old evidence and nothing new came from meeting with Walsh, why did you need to meet for 3 hours?
Too many loose ends. I'm sorry. Bill is a cheater to me, period.


this issue with spying and pacman jones and henry are different. didnt they get in trouble of violence off the field while the pats didnt really cause physical harm to ne one so why would he get suspended for something didnt harm. they met for 3 hours because goodell asked some hard question to matt walsh. watch the nfl video in the nfl website and it says how goodell didnt see anything new. as for them cheating u cant say they really cheated because 1) how were they gonna use the tapes in the futures its not like they used the video during the game and cheated. they simplyed recorded the video to get information about there oppentens. dont all nfl teams do this. if u actually know wutz going on in the locker room all teams have video of other teams playing but this is done from a far point of view where u cant cleary but still kinda able to see the coaches from the other teams. i would recommed u listen to espn radio because they alwayz bring up good points.


1). how did they use the tapes against there oppenents.
2). u call the pats a cheater when almost every team trys to find a edge against other teams via be taping, photographs, audio tampering, etc..... (so isnt a single person who cant deny that the pats are the only one who tried to get the advantage) they just happen to get caught while other teams didnt.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (Krn_Track_Star @ May 16 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1). how did they use the tapes against there oppenents.
2). u call the pats a cheater when almost every team trys to find a edge against other teams via be taping, photographs, audio tampering, etc..... (so isnt a single person who cant deny that the pats are the only one who tried to get the advantage) they just happen to get caught while other teams didnt.

Have you been paying ANY attention at all? They have the signal, down and distance on each play. Are you telling me that WON'T help? If you don't think so, you're COMPLETELY ignorant of the game. Look, even GOODEL, who i think has not HIMSELF been forthcoming in his approach to this whole thing, has even stated that these were tapes used to help them THAT GAME. Explain taping the dolphins, a NON DIVISION TEAM, a team they only play ONCE a year. Seriously, you're dillusional. And
No. 2. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? Where did you get this idea about other teams video taping? Seriously, if you DON'T HAVE PROOF, STOP WHIPPING AROUND THESE REDICULOUS ASSUMPTIONS.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (epark1281 @ May 16 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you been paying ANY attention at all? They have the signal, down and distance on each play. Are you telling me that WON'T help? If you don't think so, you're COMPLETELY ignorant of the game. Look, even GOODEL, who i think has not HIMSELF been forthcoming in his approach to this whole thing, has even stated that these were tapes used to help them THAT GAME. Explain taping the dolphins, a NON DIVISION TEAM, a team they only play ONCE a year. Seriously, you're dillusional. And
No. 2. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? Where did you get this idea about other teams video taping? Seriously, if you DON'T HAVE PROOF, STOP WHIPPING AROUND THESE REDICULOUS ASSUMPTIONS.


y dont u bother watching nfl vids for once and they all agree the tapes did and were not use during the games. THINK FOR UR SELF HOW IN THE WORLD CAN U USE A TAPE U JUST RECORED FOR 30 MIN.

Rod Woodson on the tapes


Another link with Rod but with Marshall Faulk


use ur common sense. how do other teams study there oppenent do they just go out on sunday to play them. NO they look at film from the oppenents or highlights of the video. im not sure if u every played football but i have and the way football teams study for other team is to go look at film and there formations on certain downs.

and the nfl network on tv made a good point in saying if the patriots were 8-8 or 7-9 that this whole spy gate stuff wouldnt even happen. its cuz they were good that they had to made it into a big deal.


goodell full press conference

in that press conference he CLEARY STATES that the tapes were not used during the game.
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QUOTE (Krn_Track_Star @ May 16 2008, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.. as for them cheating u cant say they really cheated because 1) how were they gonna use the tapes in the futures its not like they used the video during the game and cheated. they simplyed recorded the video to get information about there oppentens. dont all nfl teams do this. if u actually know wutz going on in the locker room all teams have video of other teams playing but this is done from a far point of view where u cant cleary but still kinda able to see the coaches from the other teams. i would recommed u listen to espn radio because they alwayz bring up good points.

1). how did they use the tapes against there oppenents.
2). u call the pats a cheater when almost every team trys to find a edge against other teams via be taping, photographs, audio tampering, etc..... (so isnt a single person who cant deny that the pats are the only one who tried to get the advantage) they just happen to get caught while other teams didnt.


Fact 1: In the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual, it states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

Fact 2: The New England Patriots videotaped the New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals during a September 9, 2007 game from a sideline location, an act deemed by the NFL Commissioner to be in violation of league rules as stipulated above. We now know this to be a fact by virtue of Bill Belichick's acceptance of the $500,000 fine for his culpability in this incident, as well as the Patriots organization's acceptance of their $250,000 fine and the docking of one of their 1st round selections in the 2008 draft. If this act was indeed ever in dispute, then certainly Belichick and the organization would have greatly contested this punishment to exonerate themselves of this accusation. But they did not.

Look, first of all - and I will re-state this again as I've done before: Nobody disputes the facts that other teams look at tapes to study their opponents. We get that. They make tapes for study and preparation for future games against that same team.

Tell you what, I'll even grant you the argument that all teams cheat: In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson ... all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game. (source: www.boston.com).
So if this memo had to be circulated to all the teams around the league as far back as September 2006, then this kind of videotaping activity between teams must have been either rampant or at least problematic enough to merit attention.

But here's the thing: Belichick and the Patriots still saw fit to continue this practice in September 2007, a whole year after this advisory was sent out. They disregarded the memo and they circumvented the rules by conducting videotaping practices in unauthorized areas. They did it in a manner in which the kind of information procured by filming in a closer proximity and strategic location gave the Patriots an unfair advantage against teams that adhered to the stipulated rules of videotaping. It makes no difference whether it was or wasn't used during the game or even if it was filmed for use in future games. If signals can be changed from game to game, then why bother taping illegally close or legally from afar like they were supposed to like every other team?

The fact of the matter is that the Patriots saw fit to circumvent the rules and tape up close because of the implied belief that there is a distinct advantage to be gained by doing so. This can be the only reason. Why else would you risk penalty and punishment in covertly operating this way unless you were just stupid? If this isn't what you would call cheating, then I don't know what it is.

So sure, other teams make videotapes of their own for study. Maybe they even specifically focus their cameras to capture hand signals the best they can. But they are doing it within the rules and guidelines set by the NFL. There is no "catching other teams also cheating" because they are videotaping within the specified rules. In this regard, there is a distinct line drawn where teams should not cross - and for the most part, the lack of other cheating allegations indicates that most teams tow this fine line. But the Patriots - well, they went ahead and crossed that line for themselves.

Are there other teams that have crossed that line like the Patriots? Sure, perhaps. Or maybe not.
But one high draft pick,$750,000, and tons of negative publicity later, you'd think New England would have a lot to gripe about for being played as the scapegoat in a supposed league of cheaters. But they haven't reversed the fire and make allegations about other teams being guilty of the same things they've perpetrated.

I wonder why that is?
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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (HERMIT @ May 17 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fact 1: In the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual, it states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

Fact 2: The New England Patriots videotaped the New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals during a September 9, 2007 game from a sideline location, an act deemed by the NFL Commissioner to be in violation of league rules as stipulated above. We now know this to be a fact by virtue of Bill Belichick's acceptance of the $500,000 fine for his culpability in this incident, as well as the Patriots organization's acceptance of their $250,000 fine and the docking of one of their 1st round selections in the 2008 draft. If this act was indeed ever in dispute, then certainly Belichick and the organization would have greatly contested this punishment to exonerate themselves of this accusation. But they did not.

Look, first of all - and I will re-state this again as I've done before: Nobody disputes the facts that other teams look at tapes to study their opponents. We get that. They make tapes for study and preparation for future games against that same team.

Tell you what, I'll even grant you the argument that all teams cheat: In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson ... all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game. (source: www.boston.com).
So if this memo had to be circulated to all the teams around the league as far back as September 2006, then this kind of videotaping activity between teams must have been either rampant or at least problematic enough to merit attention.

But here's the thing: Belichick and the Patriots still saw fit to continue this practice in September 2007, a whole year after this advisory was sent out. They disregarded the memo and they circumvented the rules by conducting videotaping practices in unauthorized areas. They did it in a manner in which the kind of information procured by filming in a closer proximity and strategic location gave the Patriots an unfair advantage against teams that adhered to the stipulated rules of videotaping. It makes no difference whether it was or wasn't used during the game or even if it was filmed for use in future games. If signals can be changed from game to game, then why bother taping illegally close or legally from afar like they were supposed to like every other team?

The fact of the matter is that the Patriots saw fit to circumvent the rules and tape up close because of the implied belief that there is a distinct advantage to be gained by doing so. This can be the only reason. Why else would you risk penalty and punishment in covertly operating this way unless you were just stupid? If this isn't what you would call cheating, then I don't know what it is.

So sure, other teams make videotapes of their own for study. Maybe they even specifically focus their cameras to capture hand signals the best they can. But they are doing it within the rules and guidelines set by the NFL. There is no "catching other teams also cheating" because they are videotaping within the specified rules. In this regard, there is a distinct line drawn where teams should not cross - and for the most part, the lack of other cheating allegations indicates that most teams tow this fine line. But the Patriots - well, they went ahead and crossed that line for themselves.

Are there other teams that have crossed that line like the Patriots? Sure, perhaps. Or maybe not.
But one high draft pick,$750,000, and tons of negative publicity later, you'd think New England would have a lot to gripe about for being played as the scapegoat in a supposed league of cheaters. But they haven't reversed the fire and make allegations about other teams being guilty of the same things they've perpetrated.

I wonder why that is?


yeah i get ur point about this whole taping under certain rules but isnt taping, taping no matter if it is plays or hands but i do admit the pats went a little far as recording the coaches and that they should of been punished for it but my point is that everyone who calls the pats cheaters and that they should of gotten suspended are the ones that it wuz directed to cuz they seem like the pats were the only teams that taped stuff but i can be wrong on this to cuz maybe the pats were the one (which i seriously dought). all nfl teams try to find a advantage of some kind that is illegal but how would the league know if u were cheating or something especially at home field, i can understand away games cuz ur still in ur teams gear and if u had a camera it would look suspecious but in home its kind hard to tell a fan from a employee. now i heard some thing about cell phones earlier how teams can record hours of video on there cell phones which has the potenital of becoming a a problem because how is the league gonna check cell phone videos. there are all kinds of way teams cheat. sport proformace drugs that the system can not detect so everyteam might cheat but they might not. people can say that im back up the pats cuz im a hardcore pats fan but if another team got caught taping i would be on the same boat where i am at now cuz i dont believe that no one cheats its just that the pats happen to get caught.


i guess everyone can agree that the pats did cheat but they are not the only ones cheating in the nfl. so i think people should give them some slack cuz just wait in the future cuz maybe more teams could get caught.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:43 AM

QUOTE (Krn_Track_Star @ May 19 2008, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i guess everyone can agree that the pats did cheat but they are not the only ones cheating in the nfl. so i think people should give them some slack cuz just wait in the future cuz maybe more teams could get caught.

Nobody's gonna give them slack because the pats are the pats. You're giving the paties slack because you're a fanboy, Period.
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 12:09 PM

^ Well you're cutting the Patriots slack because you're a Patriots hater!
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 04:58 PM

bottom line: the patriots cheated. sure they didn't tape a walkthrough at the super bowl as previously reported...but no if's and's or but's about it. the patriots cheated and were caught.
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE (jurassic5 @ May 19 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
bottom line: the patriots cheated. sure they didn't tape a walkthrough at the super bowl as previously reported...but no if's and's or but's about it. the patriots cheated and were caught.


yeah i aint gonna deny they didnt cheat i said it before that they did a wrong thing but do u believe they were the only ones who are cheating in the nfl. it always seems like when there is a great team in a sport the media and the fans love the try to destory them.
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Krn_Track_Star @ May 19 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah i aint gonna deny they didnt cheat i said it before that they did a wrong thing but do u believe they were the only ones who are cheating in the nfl. it always seems like when there is a great team in a sport the media and the fans love the try to destory them.


the fact is....the patriots got caught. are there other teams? maybe....

are shawn merriman and rodney harrison cheaters? yes....are there others? maybe.

i do not know what other teams and invidiual players may be doing...but what i do know is that the patriots were caught cheating and admitted to this guilt. until the other teams or individual players get caught...i can not classify them as cheaters since there's no evidence.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:24 AM

QUOTE (Krn_Track_Star @ May 19 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah i aint gonna deny they didnt cheat i said it before that they did a wrong thing but do u believe they were the only ones who are cheating in the nfl. it always seems like when there is a great team in a sport the media and the fans love the try to destory them.

Psht, Typical. Listen fanboy, just cause YOUR team got caught doesn't mean you can say that other teams are cheating too. You've got no evidence. Your claim that other teams are doing the same thing, to me, i just hear lips flapping. There's no evidence. Get over it. Your boys are cheaters. And the ONLY cheaters in the NFL. Nobody else got caught, FOR A REASON.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:52 AM

im over this spygate CRAP. SERIOUSLY! stop ruining my ESPN and coming out with some useless crap everyday. i can care less about the pats and other drunk driving cocaine abusing dog fighting players. i want to know where ocho cinco is going.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 08:22 AM

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im over this spygate CRAP. SERIOUSLY! stop ruining my ESPN and coming out with some useless crap everyday. i can care less about the pats and other drunk driving cocaine abusing dog fighting players. i want to know where ocho cinco is going.


yeah im with u on this whole spy gate stuff to im over going to get over it. well holy COW the owners opt outed of the last year of the labor deal. CRAP THAT MEANS IF THEY DONT COME UP WITH A NEW CONTRACT the 2011 season might be cancalled or deleyed =(.
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