[nara jjang]

well this one is for the eagles i think the injures mcnabb was having cause a great problem for him. im just wondering why he doesnt sit out to get healthy like vick did against the pats (even though they almost won with the back up). this was a very important game for the falcons also for the pats but vick said even though he can play he wanted to be healthy before he came back. i think mcnabb should to the same. i think he should just sit out a game or so to get healthy because if u keep playing injured the injures are going to build up N even get worse. look at steve mcnair he is still getting injured because he keeps on playing injured. so to prevent from something serious i think he should sit out N rest.

well the mcnabb injury is different from the vick injury....mcnabbs is a sports hernia...it can't heal by itself u need to get surgery on it...and it can't get more injured....it jus causes him a lot of pain...and i guess he thinks that they have a better chance of winning when he is playing and not detmer or mcmahon...anyways yeah our defensive line sucked bad yesterday...they shouldn't have let simon walk cause they r really thin at the tackle position...well its jus one of them games i am not flustered by it

[Krn_Track_Star]

well i think mcnabb should get better before he plays. well not getting surgery on a injury can lead to more damage. just like on how i didnt get surgery when i particaly tore my hamstring. i thought it would heal by itself in like 8 weeks or so but it never healed N i ended up tearing my whole hamstring out. i just think it will be the eagles benfit if he is healthy.

[nara jjang]

mcnabbs is a sports hernia...it can't heal by itself u need to get surgery on it...and it can't get more injured

maybe i shoulda said more damaged.

[Seipher]

ne wayz what is yall's thought on the colts this yr. im wondering why they aren't putting the numbers they put up last year. last year they were on fire avg 300 plus yards passing. now there like below 300 yard and scoring thats a huge story. they avg 32.3 points a game N this season there only avg 27.1 points a game. im wondering this because they have the same offensive unit from last year only thing that changed on the colts team is there defense. which gotten REALLY GOOD.

I wonder the same thing, partly because I have Manning, Harrison and Stokley on my fantasy teams heh. I was thinking that perhaps because their defense is playing so well, Manning doesn't have to air it out so often and throw touchdowns just to keep his team in a game. On the flip side though, if the defense is playing so well and getting the stops, then I would assume that the Colts offense would have more opportunities to rack up points and yardage. Since this isn't the case, I'm thinking it's because the opposing defenses have come up with a way to at least contain the Colts passing game, forcing the Colts to go underneath more with the pass and giving the ball to James.

Taking a quick look at the Colts stats at NFL.com, Manning has attempted 145 passes so far, and being just a little over a third through the season, it roughly projects to be 435 for the season. Compared to last season, where Manning finished with 497 attempts during the regular season, and it appears that the Colts are throwing less. However, it only averages to about 4 less attempts per game so far, and with the offense that the Colts have, I personally find it hard to imagine that 4 less attempts per game significantly impacts their stats. The big difference I see is that Manning averages 7.7 yards per attempt this season, lower than the 9.2 he posted last season. So not only is Manning on pace to have less passing attempts, but he is also averaging less yards per attempt. As it is, none of the top three receivers on the team is on pace to go over 1000 yards receiving. Heck, none of them are on pace to even crack 800. Defenses throughout the league had all off-season to plan against the Colts so I'm sure someone has come up with something. Honestly, I've yet to see the Colts play this season, aside from the first quarter of the game against the 49ers, but I would think that opposing defenses are dropping more back in coverage, forcing Manning to check down to the shorter routes, or handing the ball off to James. As for James, he's on pace for roughly 357 carries, up from the 334 he had last season.

So my guess is that defenses are dropping more back in coverages, but I realize stats don't tell everything, especially when it comes to projections. I remember last season Culpepper was on pace to shatter Marino's TD record, but we all know how that turned out.

[Krn_Track_Star]

I wonder the same thing, partly because I have Manning, Harrison and Stokley on my fantasy teams heh. I was thinking that perhaps because their defense is playing so well, Manning doesn't have to air it out so often and throw touchdowns just to keep his team in a game. On the flip side though, if the defense is playing so well and getting the stops, then I would assume that the Colts offense would have more opportunities to rack up points and yardage. Since this isn't the case, I'm thinking it's because the opposing defenses have come up with a way to at least contain the Colts passing game, forcing the Colts to go underneath more with the pass and giving the ball to James.

Taking a quick look at the Colts stats at NFL.com, Manning has attempted 145 passes so far, and being just a little over a third through the season, it roughly projects to be 435 for the season. Compared to last season, where Manning finished with 497 attempts during the regular season, and it appears that the Colts are throwing less. However, it only averages to about 4 less attempts per game so far, and with the offense that the Colts have, I personally find it hard to imagine that 4 less attempts per game significantly impacts their stats. The big difference I see is that Manning averages 7.7 yards per attempt this season, lower than the 9.2 he posted last season. So not only is Manning on pace to have less passing attempts, but he is also averaging less yards per attempt. As it is, none of the top three receivers on the team is on pace to go over 1000 yards receiving. Heck, none of them are on pace to even crack 800. Defenses throughout the league had all off-season to plan against the Colts so I'm sure someone has come up with something. Honestly, I've yet to see the Colts play this season, aside from the first quarter of the game against the 49ers, but I would think that opposing defenses are dropping more back in coverage, forcing Manning to check down to the shorter routes, or handing the ball off to James. As for James, he's on pace for roughly 357 carries, up from the 334 he had last season.

So my guess is that defenses are dropping more back in coverages, but I realize stats don't tell everything, especially when it comes to projections. I remember last season Culpepper was on pace to shatter Marino's TD record, but we all know how that turned out.

hahaha. samething i thought. im like James is getting a lot of hand offs this season way more then any one expected. its true that the defense of back are playing the pass most of the time there playing against the colts because of last year but last year they were able to beat the pass coverage and make plays that were for long yardage. if you saw the game against the 49ers man it was the defense that did everything. its amazing how they are only allowing 5.9 points per a game. wow thats like only if field goal a game. i think this colts team is going to be the bucz in 2002 when they won the superbowl with there defense. if their defense keeps up playing like this then i dont know if the best offense can in nfl can score more than 7 points. just like the saying goes offense wins u game but defense wins you championships. now im wondering with the new defense how the colts will look up against top nfc teams like the pats or the steelers.

also ricky williams is back for the Miami. im wondering after one yr of no football how he can preform. i think he is going help the team a little not a whole not. i think next or possible in two years he will be at his best. again.

but cant wait for the game today after track practice man im gonna head over to my house N watch MNF.

[JohnnyMoon]

^Peyton is naturally throwing less because everyone in the NFL has seen how great of a QB he is. And knowing that fact, the NFL coaches aren't stupid.

I'm sure many NFL coaches spent their summertime watching video, analyzing the teams. I'm very sure that many observed Peyton Manning and his offense and how the defenses failed to stop him.

This year, you should realize that many opposing defenses against Indianapolis like to play fallback, strengthening the safety/cornerback area and covering the WR routes in order to limit Manning's damage. This is probably also why Peyton has been throwing more interceptions than usual, because NFL defenses have come up with clever tricks to disguise their pass defense and pick him off when the ball comes their way.

This is why James, the Colts' RB, gets more carries, in order to nullify the opponents' passing defense with running offense that should be more stronger against pass-oriented schemes.

Hope this makes sense... o_o

[Krn_Track_Star]

WOW I JUST NOW FOUND OUT THAT Deuce McAllister us out for the season. WOW what a big hurt for the saints.

Saints lose running back McAllister for year
Already beset by a natural disaster, the reeling New Orleans Saints have now suffered a physical one as well, with a Monday morning MRI exam revealing that star running back Deuce McAllister has a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, an injury that will sideline the five-year veteran for the rest of the season.

McAllister, the workhorse of the Saints offense and once again cast as the centerpiece of what coach Jim Haslett had hoped would be the return to a power running game in 2005, will seek a second opinion. But the matter appears academic and the Saints will finish what already has been a dismal season without the veteran who is arguably their best offensive player.

"If that's the case, a torn ligament, he's out for the year," Haslett said. "I feel bad first of all for Deuce. He's worked hard to get to this point. He's a great football player."

The injury occurred in the third quarter of Sunday's loss at Green Bay when McAllister caught a screen pass and his right foot seemed to catch in the turf at Lambeau Field. An on-field examination by team physicians originally indicated that McAllister suffered an injury to the posterior cruciate ligament. Further scrutiny of the knee following the 52-3 defeat raised alarms the damage was actually to the anterior cruciate ligament, and that it was more severe.

After the game, McAllister insisted he was "all right" and suggested that he would be able to play in next Sunday's game against Atlanta at the Alamodome. McAllister had carried 11 times for 31 yards at the time of the injury.

Deuce McAllister
Running Back
New Orleans Saints

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2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
93 335 3 17 117 0


The Monday MRI exam confirmed the team's worst fears. It is not yet known when the second opinion will take place or when McAllister will undergo surgery. Typically in such cases, teams will wait until the swelling in the joint subsides before they will have a player undergo surgery.

A first-round pick in the 2001 draft, and the 23rd overall selection that year, McAllister has missed only three games in his career. The former University of Mississippi star, who is widely regarded as one of the NFL's premier tailbacks, has rushed for 4,529 yards and 34 touchdowns on 1,054 carries. That includes 93 carries for 335 yards in 2005.

McAllister, 26, entered this season with three straight 1,000-yard campaigns, including a career-best 1,641 yards in 2003. He also has 182 catches for 1,379 yards and four scores.

Haslett vowed this spring, after a 2004 season in which the New Orleans offense seemed to deviate from his blueprint for it, to return to a more physical attack, with McAllister as the primary catalyst. With their top back gone now, the Saints likely will split time at the tailback spot between Antowain Smith and Aaron Stecker. The Saints, already displaced by Hurricane Katrina, and now temporarily based in San Antonio, are 2-3.

"I have a lot of confidence in our team," Haslett said. "We've overcome a lot in the past year and the last couple of months.

"[The loss against Green Bay] was enough for a lifetime. Anytime you lose a player like Deuce you have to have him surrounded by people who can pick up their game. Everybody has to play better."

At the outset of training camp, the club signed McAllister to a pricey seven-year contract extension. The extension, which created an eight-year contract in total, is worth $50.1 million and includes $12.5 million in signing and roster bonuses.

[whiterose]

Ok tell me how the FAlcons suck hate all you want but they dont suck.

[HERMIT]

RE: Pittsburgh @ San Diego on MNF ...

Anyway, to sum up - I'm just logically saying - primarily from a statistical standpoint and respective team tendencies being the way they are - I doubt that it will be blowout Pittsburgh victory of the magnitude of 33-17 or 30-14 as has been predicted above. I think it's going to be closely fought match with the score separation no more than 4 points - and with either team really winning it. (I just happen to hope that it's the Chargers that come out on the winning end. )

Well, it actually did pan out like I thought it would and was not some blowout win by Pittsburgh. Props to Pittsburgh for hanging in there and actually winning on a last minute field goal 24-22. But I guess it's a bittersweet win as Roethlisberger seems to have suffered a knee injury.
The Chargers three losses were by a respective 4, 3, and now 2 points. All games were winnable to the end, but I guess luck just isn't swinging their way this time around.

[jurassic5]

well, this last sunday sucked.

my two teams ended up losing. first, the cardinals were taking it to the panthers...then turnovers and penalties hurt them again in the second half. josh mccown threw for almost 400 yards and 2 TD's, but he had 3 INT's. Boldin and Fitzgerald had 100 yard game each. the cards need to stop the stupid penalties and get a running game. my take on JJ Arrington has been downgraded from favorable to highly dissapointed.

as for the eagles....damn, they just got dominated. mcnabb's injuries finally caught up to him and their secondary totally let them down. Sheldon Brown had a INT/TD, but that's all they could be happy about.

Both teams have bye weeks coming up and they will be much needed for both birds. they need to get healthy first and foremost. the eagles i have no question will come out slinging and score a lot vs. the chargers in the next week. as for the cards.....if they continue losing....at least there is hope of Leinhart or Bush.

[Mr Boo Boo]

^Peyton is naturally throwing less because everyone in the NFL has seen how great of a QB he is. And knowing that fact, the NFL coaches aren't stupid.

I'm sure many NFL coaches spent their summertime watching video, analyzing the teams. I'm very sure that many observed Peyton Manning and his offense and how the defenses failed to stop him.

This year, you should realize that many opposing defenses against Indianapolis like to play fallback, strengthening the safety/cornerback area and covering the WR routes in order to limit Manning's damage. This is probably also why Peyton has been throwing more interceptions than usual, because NFL defenses have come up with clever tricks to disguise their pass defense and pick him off when the ball comes their way.

This is why James, the Colts' RB, gets more carries, in order to nullify the opponents' passing defense with running offense that should be more stronger against pass-oriented schemes.

Hope this makes sense... o_o

Peyton isnt throwing less b.c the coaches know how to stop peyton...he has been in the league for a while now and for a while the only team that can stop peyton was/is new england

in the past the defences would play really badly against offences and they really couldnt stop anything really which was really sad....so b.c of the defences playing that way peyton had to try and outscore the other team just to beat em

now that the defences is playing a WHOLE lot better (i think 2nd in the league?? maybe 1st) peyton role this year is a whole lot different....maintain the ball, control the clock, score points.....and with james running the ball to run the clock down when they are in the lead is what they are doing.....he doesnt have to try and outscore the other teams now since the defences has allowed only 29 points this year....29 points....thats normally what a good offences can score in a game

and on a serious note...i think the Ref threw the flag again on the Revens O.O

[Krn_Track_Star]

RE: Pittsburgh @ San Diego on MNF ...
Well, it actually did pan out like I thought it would and was not some blowout win by Pittsburgh. Props to Pittsburgh for hanging in there and actually winning on a last minute field goal 24-22. But I guess it's a bittersweet win as Roethlisberger seems to have suffered a knee injury.
The Chargers three losses were by a respective 4, 3, and now 2 points. All games were winnable to the end, but I guess luck just isn't swinging their way this time around.

yea i give all the credit in the world for the chargers bringing to the steelers but if u saw the game i what i predicted was right. i said if the steelers blitz the living day lights out of breese i said the was going to make some bad plays and thats what happened. they blits breese all night where he couldnt get any big rthyme going. like i said breese cant handle pressure that well if you watch the game i and read what i posted before i was right because i said breese doesnt throw the ball away when he feels pressure either he takes the sack or he trys to force a play by throwing it N u saw it in the game because all the steelers did was blits the whole night. if breese could handle pressure like tom brady can O man he would be like manning but i guess he still has alot to learn but once again i give alot of credit to the chargers for bringing it to the steelers. the steelers run defense is just outstanding. they haven't had a rusher rush more than a 100 yards in like 17 games. that is crazy but one thing goes for both teams they need some cover corners. man the steelers almost lost again just like how they lost to the Pats. if both teams get some cover corners man they would be all set.

once again BIG PROPS GO TO THE CHARGERS FOR just playing out right hard to the finish.

[thatguy]

Come on guys. You all forgot the biggest news in week 5!!!!! ERIC MOULDS GETS A GOD DAMN TD PASS!!!! AND IT HAD TO BE WHEN I FINALLY BENCH HIM IN MY FF LEAGUE!!!!!!!! In other news Pats win again by a field goal...jeez can't they ever blow a team out anymore! I also hear Davenport for the Packers did good as Ahman Green's replacement...too abd he got injured and is out for the whole season.

[JohnnyMoon]

Peyton isnt throwing less b.c the coaches know how to stop peyton...he has been in the league for a while now and for a while the only team that can stop peyton was/is new england

Well, the NFL coaches have certainly learned what Peyton does and what they need to adjust in order to deal with it.

Look at the stats - Not only is Peyton throwing less than last year, he's throwing less TDs, more Interceptions, and his team as a whole is not scoring as much as it did last year.

As much as some of the critics say that "their offense is not clicking," what's there to NOT click?? I mean, come on. Their offensive lineup hasn't changed since last year!

You have to give at least SOME credit to the opposing defenses for learning how to deal with the Colts' offense. The new part this year for them is to figure out Colts' defense, which improved tremendously.

[HERMIT]

well, this last sunday sucked.

my two teams ended up losing. first, the cardinals were taking it to the panthers...then turnovers and penalties hurt them again in the second half. josh mccown threw for almost 400 yards and 2 TD's, but he had 3 INT's. Boldin and Fitzgerald had 100 yard game each. the cards need to stop the stupid penalties and get a running game. my take on JJ Arrington has been downgraded from favorable to highly dissapointed.

as for the eagles....damn, they just got dominated. mcnabb's injuries finally caught up to him and their secondary totally let them down. Sheldon Brown had a INT/TD, but that's all they could be happy about.

Both teams have bye weeks coming up and they will be much needed for both birds. they need to get healthy first and foremost. the eagles i have no question will come out slinging and score a lot vs. the chargers in the next week. as for the cards.....if they continue losing....at least there is hope of Leinhart or Bush.

Haha Dan, I can sympathize.
My hometown Chargers lost a close one to the Steelers and the Eagles lackluster performance had adverse affects to my fantasy lineups that I have in two different leagues (I have McNabb in one; Westbrook, LJ Smith, as well as McNabb in another). I lost my matchup in one league and managed to squeak out a win nonetheless in the other.

Hey, if it's any consolation to you - at least you and I are #1 and #2 in the Soompi League.

[JohnnyMoon]

^Out of curiosity, can you give me the link to soompi league? I'm interested in seeing who's playing with whom...

[HERMIT]

^Out of curiosity, can you give me the link to soompi league? I'm interested in seeing who's playing with whom...

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/58844

dunno, if that link will work for you though...

[epark1281]

Peyton isnt throwing less b.c the coaches know how to stop peyton...he has been in the league for a while now and for a while the only team that can stop peyton was/is new england

i actually think teams should worry more about offensive scheming against the colts more than containing Peyton's passing. it's the D that's winning the games, not peyton's arm.
*edit*
Doug Freeny is straight up killin O lines. Remember the Ravens game against the colts? Everywhere Kyle was turning, Freeny was in his grill.

[Krn_Track_Star]

i actually think teams should worry more about offensive scheming against the colts more than containing Peyton's passing. it's the D that's winning the games, not peyton's arm.
*edit*
Doug Freeny is straight up killin O lines. Remember the Ravens game against the colts? Everywhere Kyle was turning, Freeny was in his grill.

thats what i was thinking. too thats why i keep on asking why cant they score. the defense the colts face didnt really change at all. all the teams they played last yr they all have the same defense. its true the defense is winning games because they are only allowing 5.8 points per a game. that is crazy once again.

well we will see how truley good there defense is in week nine against the pats on MNF. man this is going to be a good game. cant wait till week nine.


and the steelers god lucky that ben wasnt really injured. did u see the steelers bench when they saw ben on the ground. everyone just stood in shock.


Roethlisberger has hyperextended left knee

NFL.com wire reports

PITTSBURGH (Oct. 11, 2005) -- Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has a hyperextended left knee and a bone bruise sustained during a game-winning field goal drive at the end of a 24-22 victory against San Diego on Oct. 10, but hasn't been ruled out of an Oct. 16 game against Jacksonville.

The injury isn't as severe as it initially appeared to be -- immediately after the game, coach Bill Cowher said "it looked bad."

"It's a deep sigh of relief," Cowher said.

Roethlisberger, 16-1 as an NFL regular-season starter, was injured with 1:05 remaining when Chargers defensive end Luis Castillo's helmet collided with his left knee as Roethlisberger was completing a 9-yard pass to Antwaan Randle El.

Roethlisberger lay in pain on the turf for several minutes, clutching at his knee, before limping off the field. He was removed from the field on a cart, his knee heavily wrapped, after Jeff Reed kicked a 40-yard field goal with six seconds remaining, but he had no bandage on the knee when he got dressed shortly after that.

Roethlisberger had an MRI test shortly after the team returned to Pittsburgh.

Roethlisberger was the NFL's offensive rookie of the year last season after going 13-0 on a team that went a franchise-record 15-1 before ultimately losing to New England 41-27 in the AFC championship game. He was off to an excellent start this season, completing 52 of 86 passes for 913 yards, seven touchdowns and no interceptions. His passer rating of 123.8 is the best in the league.

Backup Tommy Maddox sat out the San Diego game with a calf injury, but also could be available Oct. 16. Cowher said his injury also wasn't as bad as initially thought.

If neither Roethlisberger nor Maddox can play, the Steelers would turn to 30-year-old Charlie Batch, the Lions' starter from 1998 until late in the 2001 season who has played little since signing with his hometown Steelers before the 2002 season.

Batch has thrown only eight passes, completing four, in four seasons with the Steelers. He didn't throw a pass in the 2002 season, then missed all of last season with a knee injury that occurred during training camp.

The Steelers considered cutting Batch before the season started, but decided to keep three veteran quarterbacks -- something few NFL teams do -- after he threw two touchdown passes in leading a comeback victory at Carolina in the team's final preseason game Sept. 1.

"The news on Ben is very good, but it's good that we have Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch," Cowher said. "As of now, Charlie is the starter by default."

man there QB position is messed up expect for ben.

[Krn_Track_Star]

wtf is up with the vikings. look at this now u cant say the coach is screwing them up. its themselves screwing up the team.


face another problem, this one off-fieldAssociated Press


EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Mike Tice leaned for a moment against a soggy blocking sled on a gray afternoon after practice, the trademark pencil behind his ear and a long, pensive look on his face.

The weary coach had plenty to ponder. Fixing Minnesota's problems on the field seemed to take second place, as an inquiry continued into an allegedly out-of-control party involving several Vikings players, drunkenness, nudity and visible sexual activity on a pair of charter cruises last week.

No criminal charges had been filed Wednesday. Sgt. Haans Vitek of the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office said it could take a couple of weeks before investigators finish interviewing people on the boats.

Stephen Doyle, an attorney representing the boat's owners, has said cornerback Fred Smoot paid for one of the cruises on Lake Minnetonka last Thursday. A total of about 90 people were present, Doyle said, on both of the boats -- which returned to shore more than two hours earlier than scheduled when crew members complained about wild, lewd behavior. A police report was filed Sunday.

"It doesn't make things any simpler," Tice said, "and quite frankly I'm not happy about it."

Smoot, usually one of the team's most talkative and energetic players, said he was planning to take legal action against "whoever put my name in there." He glumly declined to comment further as he walked to his car in the parking lot.

"They're killing my name," Smoot said. "Point blank. Somebody's going to have to pay for it."

The locker room was mostly empty during the time it was open to the media, and all the players who spoke refused to comment on the outing or any of the implications. Running back Mewelde Moore acknowledged he was present on one of the boats, but he said he saw none of the alleged behavior.

"That's crazy. Sex? Come on," said Moore, the team's leading rusher with 187 yards.

A television reporter claimed to have obtained a list of attendees that included free safety Darren Sharper's name on it.

"Somebody must have lied," Sharper said, shaking his head.

The timing of this -- the latest in a long line of extracurricular trouble this team has found itself in over the years -- was terrible.

Expected by many observers to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender, the Vikings (1-3) were awful through the first quarter of their season. Their losses came by a combined score of 91-31, and their lone victory was against the homeless, struggling New Orleans Saints.

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf just finished conducting a two-day organizational planning retreat in which an off-the-field code of conduct, among many other topics, was discussed.

Then there's the stadium Wilf wants built, a $675 million structure in suburban Minneapolis that would require a public contribution of nearly $400 million -- plus a special legislative session called by Gov. Tim Pawlenty if a deal is to be consummated this year.

Wilf didn't return a phone call or an e-mail requesting comment. Pawlenty, asked if the allegations would hurt the team at the Capitol, sidestepped the question.

"Setting aside the stadium issues, if these allegations are true, they're awful," Pawlenty said. "To have football players or anyone else act in that manner is awful."

Even the die-hard fans were disgusted. One local radio station repeatedly spun the theme song to "Love Boat" in between angry calls denouncing the alleged conduct.

"You don't know what a guy does when you go home or what he does at night," said linebacker Keith Newman. "As long as a guy is coming focused and ready to play football this week, that's all I'm concerned about. ... You're going to have some adversity, but I'm focused right now on the Chicago Bears, and how to get this football team turned around."

That's what Tice was trying to worry about.

"It can tear a team apart or bring us together," he said, "and it's my job to bring the team together."