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#101 User is offline   orangecake 

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 06:44 AM

変な 会話。

「ねえ、あれ、ちゃうちゃう、ちゃう?」
「あ~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうやろ?」
「え~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうかなあ・・・」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうって」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうんだ・・・」
「うん。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃいます!」

これでも、日本語の会話だよ。
意味、わかる? wink.gif
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE(orangecake @ Nov 2 2005, 11:44 PM) View Post

変な 会話。

「ねえ、あれ、ちゃうちゃう、ちゃう?」
「あ~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうやろ?」
「え~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうかなあ・・・」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうって」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうんだ・・・」
「うん。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃいます!」

これでも、日本語の会話だよ。
意味、わかる? wink.gif


うっける!確かに変だよね mellow.gif 意味説明してくれても分からんだろうから。。日本人だって理解できるかなw
とにかく、久しぶりだな!元気だった? まだ演奏してる?^^

じゃん isn't just a suffix that you can add onto something, and it has a meaning or else it wouldn't exist, it's important to understand the meaning before you use it. じゃん is a shortened form of じゃないかい、which does *not* mean "It's not X". In most cases じゃん used in this way is kind of forceful assertion, like "Come on, it's X!!"

Example:
ブスだよ、あたし (I'm so ugly!)
え?!可愛いじゃん! (What?! Come on you're pretty!)

これ食べない? (Would you like to eat this?)
いや、ちょっと。。 (Nah that's ok..)
おいしいじゃないか!味わってみたら? (Come on it's tasty! How about you try tasting it)

Listen to some real life examples and this is most likely the translation it will fall under
And just for reference じゃん comes after just about everything, and it replaces だ
Verb 来るじゃん!
Adjective 可愛いじゃん!
Noun 人間じゃん! (notice how there's no だ)

It goes the same with all conjugations as well
来なかったじゃん!
可愛くなかったじゃん!
人間だったじゃん! (However, だった is still used)


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could someone teach me how to say "i dont know what your talking about" and "what are you saying?" in japanese? if its not the same? xD preferably in slang? thanks in advance


You want real slang? Ok! "I don't know what you're talking about" なにいってっか、わかんねー
And that's realllly slangy (I think Orangecake will yell at me for it, haha)

How?
Original Form: なんて言ってるのか分からない
1st change: なんていってんのか、わからん
2nd: なんていってっか、わからん
3rd: なにいってっか、わかんねー

It also depends largely on dialect, like where you live..Because people here in Hokkaido would say なにいってるか、わからないしょや, and people where you go might say it different.

As for さ which was discussed earlier, there are a few different meanings. One is the さあ that comes in front of sentences, which is kind of like hesitation or ugency, depending on context. Like if someone asked you for directions and you didn't know the way, you'd say さあ、分かりませんね

There's also a different type of さ, and EMA has good ears because she picked it up wink.gif This さ, used in most places in Japan, is a particle with a very very close, even intimidating, feeling attached to it. It's often used when someone wants to express something that someone else should have known. Such things are hard to translate in writing as they are expressed by intonation of voice in English.
「だってさ、帰ってから電話するって言ってたのにさ」 "But you were saying you were going to call me after you got home"! (ie why the hell didn't you?)
「なんで話してくれないの?」「疲れたからさ!」 "Why won't you talk to me?" "Cuz I'm tired!!"

But there's also another type of さ that teenagers use obsessively...It's hard to explain
ウチ昨日ラーメン食べたさー This means 私は昨日ラーメンを食べました, it has no overbearing feeling attached to it..It's just the way alot of teenagers talk these days, for one reason or another..

By the way, さ is like じゃん in how you form it; you don't use だ, but you use だった

Do you guys understand that? I'm bad at explaining unsure.gif
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:52 AM

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:49 AM

For a sec I after I clicked on this page, I was like....whaaa....is this the homework help? ::checks page::

and then I thought....are we speaking in an Osaka accent? T___T
全然 分からない!

tamago86! 本当に日本語が上手ね!!
あ そうそう。。。今日本に住んでいる
わー
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ね。。。アメリカ人か?

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皆さん!BoAの新しいシングル『抱きしめる』が持っている!
PMをして下さい!
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でもね。。日本のCDはすごくたかい値段が高い !
常常一つcdは3000円ごろ

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE(Tamago86 @ Nov 2 2005, 07:40 AM) View Post

うっける!確かに変だよね mellow.gif 意味説明してくれても分からんだろうから。。日本人だって理解できるかなw
とにかく、久しぶりだな!元気だった? まだ演奏してる?^^

じゃん isn't just a suffix that you can add onto something, and it has a meaning or else it wouldn't exist, it's important to understand the meaning before you use it. じゃん is a shortened form of じゃないかい、which does *not* mean "It's not X". In most cases じゃん used in this way is kind of forceful assertion, like "Come on, it's X!!"

Example:
ブスだよ、あたし (I'm so ugly!)
え?!可愛いじゃん! (What?! Come on you're pretty!)

これ食べない? (Would you like to eat this?)
いや、ちょっと。。 (Nah that's ok..)
おいしいじゃないか!味わってみたら? (Come on it's tasty! How about you try tasting it)

Listen to some real life examples and this is most likely the translation it will fall under
And just for reference じゃん comes after just about everything, and it replaces だ
Verb 来るじゃん!
Adjective 可愛いじゃん!
Noun 人間じゃん! (notice how there's no だ)

It goes the same with all conjugations as well
来なかったじゃん!
可愛くなかったじゃん!
人間だったじゃん! (However, だった is still used)
You want real slang? Ok! "I don't know what you're talking about" なにいってっか、わかんねー
And that's realllly slangy (I think Orangecake will yell at me for it, haha)

How?
Original Form: なんて言ってるのか分からない
1st change: なんていってんのか、わからん
2nd: なんていってっか、わからん
3rd: なにいってっか、わかんねー

It also depends largely on dialect, like where you live..Because people here in Hokkaido would say なにいってるか、わからないしょや, and people where you go might say it different.

As for さ which was discussed earlier, there are a few different meanings. One is the さあ that comes in front of sentences, which is kind of like hesitation or ugency, depending on context. Like if someone asked you for directions and you didn't know the way, you'd say さあ、分かりませんね

There's also a different type of さ, and EMA has good ears because she picked it up wink.gif This さ, used in most places in Japan, is a particle with a very very close, even intimidating, feeling attached to it. It's often used when someone wants to express something that someone else should have known. Such things are hard to translate in writing as they are expressed by intonation of voice in English.
「だってさ、帰ってから電話するって言ってたのにさ」 "But you were saying you were going to call me after you got home"! (ie why the hell didn't you?)
「なんで話してくれないの?」「疲れたからさ!」 "Why won't you talk to me?" "Cuz I'm tired!!"

But there's also another type of さ that teenagers use obsessively...It's hard to explain
ウチ昨日ラーメン食べたさー This means 私は昨日ラーメンを食べました, it has no overbearing feeling attached to it..It's just the way alot of teenagers talk these days, for one reason or another..

Do you guys understand that? I'm bad at explaining unsure.gif
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あそうですね!僕も知らないよ。

QUOTE(XhoXho @ Nov 2 2005, 11:49 AM) View Post

For a sec I after I clicked on this page, I was like....whaaa....is this the homework help? ::checks page::

and then I thought....are we speaking in an Osaka accent? T___T
全然 分からない!

tamago86! 本当に日本語が上手ね!!
あ そうそう。。。今日本に住んでいる
わー
彼女は可愛い~~~
ね。。。アメリカ人か?
でもね。。日本のCDはすごくたかい値段が高い !
常常一つcdは3000円ごろ


はいはい、日本のCDはとても高いですよ!でも、僕はサンプルを聞いて買いに行きます。
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 04:54 PM

oii~ konban wa minna-san! genki~?
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE(putasmileon @ Nov 2 2005, 04:34 PM) View Post


はいはい、日本のCDはとても高いですよ!


そうだ、全くだよ laugh.gif
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE(XhoXho @ Nov 3 2005, 04:49 AM) View Post

and then I thought....are we speaking in an Osaka accent? T___T
全然 分からない!

tamago86! 本当に日本語が上手ね!!
あ そうそう。。。今日本に住んでいる
わー
彼女は可愛い~~~
ね。。。アメリカ人か?


いえいえまだまだ下手だよm(_)m 実は彼女は北海道にずっと住んでる日本人で、全然英語話せないから日本語で通じる smile.gif  だって俺は来年の4月に帰国したら別れるようなことになっちゃうだろう sad.gif  しょうがないけどな。。

なんで大阪弁で書いてたって思ってたの?笑 なんか、分からないところがあるならぜひ聞いてみてください!
てか、なんて呼べばいい?
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 06:16 PM

omg.. i wish i knew japanese!!! i try to learn it... but it's just too hard by myself.. sad.gif

i tried reading all those things up there... then after few seconds, my brain goes blank and i'm lost.... blah!!


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Posted 02 November 2005 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE(Range @ Oct 27 2005, 08:48 PM) View Post

okay lets see..

走る=走った
しゃべる=しゃべった
信じる=しんじった
きる=きった
おきる=おきった
聞く=きいた?
直る=なおった
出る=でった

i hope that's right smile.gif

what is the Japanese words for "in, at" and do they use subject and object markers like Korean?


Sorry I should have explained better, there are some exceptions to the rules..I don't even know if you'd call them exceptions, but there are verbs that look like a certain type of verb but really aren't. All of those are correct except the ones below. The tricky part is with verbs ending in -iru and -eru, most have predictable conjugations, but there are ones that don't that you need to be careful for, namely:

しゃべる = しゃべた
信じる = しんじた
起きる = おきた
出る  = でた

Luckily these are commonly used verbs so you'll get used to it pretty quick, so don't worry about it.

Yea there are subject and object markers in Japanese.

Object Marker:
쿠키를 먹었다 = クッキを食べた
So 를 / 을 = を

Subject Marker:
그는 오지 않았다 = 彼は来なかった
So 는 / 은 = は

누가 물었어 = 誰が聞いたの?
So 가 / 이 = が

I assume you know the different nuance between 는 / 은 and 가 / 이 in Korean, thankfully it's the same in Japanese, because it's like impossible to explain it in English..

Location:
학교에 갔다 = 学校に行った
미국에 살고 있다 = アメリカに住んでいる
So 에 = に

교실에서 공부했다 = 教室で勉強した
So 에서 = で
BUT
비행기로 간다 = 飛行機で行く
포크로 먹는다 = フォークで食べる
Therefore the で that emphasizes location in Japanese is 에서 but the one which emphasizes means or how someone did something is 로, they're different in Korean but in Japanese the same.


Do you understand that? Sorry my Korean is pretty rusty, but I hope you understand the particle usage now..They're pretty similar
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE(orangecake @ Nov 2 2005, 11:44 PM) View Post

変な 会話。

「ねえ、あれ、ちゃうちゃう、ちゃう?」
「あ~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうやろ?」
「え~。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうかなあ・・・」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうって」
「ちゃうちゃう、ちゃうんだ・・・」
「うん。ちゃうちゃう、ちゃいます!」

これでも、日本語の会話だよ。
意味、わかる? wink.gif


あはは。
これが、大阪弁だよ。

「ねえ、あれ、ちゃうちゃう(犬の種類)、じゃない?」
「あ~。ちゃうちゃう、じゃないだろ?」
「え~。ちゃうちゃう、じゃないかなあ・・・」
「ちゃうちゃう、じゃないって」
「ちゃうちゃう、じゃないんだ・・・」
「うん。ちゃうちゃう、じゃありません!」

あとね、九州の方言で、こんなのもあるよ。

カメラで写真をとりながら。
「動かないで!今、とっとっと!」         「動かないで!今、とってるから!」
「え~、とっとっと?」                「え~、とってるの?」
「とっとっと」                     「とってる」
「だったら、とっとと、とっとっと!」        「だったら、早く、取ってよ!」
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE(Mugen @ Nov 2 2005, 08:23 PM) View Post

そうだ、全くだよ laugh.gif


hahaha Word....or in Japanese...言葉.....<---though that's just weird. LoL!

でも。。。Tamago86の祖国は何ですか?o.O?

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(XhoXho @ Nov 3 2005, 03:07 PM) View Post

hahaha Word....or in Japanese...言葉.....<---though that's just weird. LoL!

でも。。。Tamago86の祖国は何ですか?o.O?


アメリカ人だよ smile.gif  ボストンの郊外で育ったけど今ニューヨークのコーネル大学に通ってるんだ
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:24 PM

北カリフォルニえとね。。。ベイエリア(bay area..haha, i've never seen katakana for it, so i'll make it up!)に住んでいる.
バークレー知ってるか?バークレー大学へ勉強してる.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 12:06 AM

わかりません。だれか英語を話せますか。

I don't understand. Is there someone here who speaks English?
haha, my japanese is very limited, learned some when i was with my ex. I'm not sure if this is even correct, correct me if im typing it incorrectly.
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Posted 03 November 2005 - 12:09 AM

um, we like...all speak English, but sure we can help you.
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Posted 03 November 2005 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE(XhoXho @ Nov 3 2005, 04:24 PM) View Post

北カリフォルニえとね。。。ベイエリア(bay area..haha, i've never seen katakana for it, so i'll make it up!)に住んでいる.
バークレー知ってるか?バークレー大学へ勉強してる.


残念ながらバークレーを聞いたことがない unsure.gif まあカリフォルニアに行ったこともないからそのはずかも。。
バークレー大学で何を勉強してるの? てか、韓国人だよね?韓国語もちゃんと話せる?

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 04:10 AM

QUOTE(Tamago86 @ Nov 3 2005, 12:40 AM) View Post

うっける!確かに変だよね mellow.gif 意味説明してくれても分からんだろうから。。日本人だって理解できるかなw
とにかく、久しぶりだな!元気だった? まだ演奏してる?^^


うん、久しぶり~。元気だよ。
舞台はね~先月、本番でした。衣装を着けて、能舞台に立ったよ!めっちゃ緊張した~。

日本人にも、ちょっと理解できない言葉を、また紹介しちゃいます!
意味は・・・やっぱり説明できないや。

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(らくご の なか に でて くる、 とても ゆうめい で、 とても ながい、 おとこ の こ の なまえ。)

寿限無寿限無 五こうのすりきれ
海砂利水魚の 水行末 雲来末 風来末
食う寝るところに 住むところ
やぶらこうじの ぶらこうじ
パイポパイポ パイポのシューリンガン
シューリンガンの グーリンダイ
グーリンダイの ポンポコピーの
ポンポコナの 長久命の 長助

(じゅげむ じゅげむ ごこうの すりきれ

かいじゃり すいぎょの すいぎょうまつ うんらいまつ ふうらいまつ

くうねるところに すむところ

やぶらこうじの ぶらこうじ

ぱいぽ ぱいぽ ぱいぽの しゅうりんがん

しゅうりんがんの ぐうりんだい

ぐうりんだいの ぽんぽこぴーの 

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE(XhoXho @ Nov 3 2005, 12:09 AM) View Post

um, we like...all speak English, but sure we can help you.


実は。。^_^笑


あのう、誰もがどちら言語を話せるかな(ぺらぺらで喋る)。。
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Posted 03 November 2005 - 04:53 PM

こんばんは みなさん! 最近どうですか。ジェニフアといいます。私は今大学に日本語をべんきょうしています。私の日本語はへたと思いますから、もっとことばをならいたいです。
じゃあ、 私はもっとがんばります。 ^_^
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