[antares]

emmanuel moody of USC may be the closest to an Asian running back having at shot at the NFL. (he's half Korean/half black)

There was a running back from U. of Oregon a few years back...Herman Ho Ching...he was half black/half chinese...

[antares]

well i wanna know where you guys put Hines Ward
though he is mix...would you guys say he is a starting asian reciever??

and there is WR Johnnie Morton who is half japanese, half black

[antares]

QUOTE(jurassic5 @ Dec 2 2006, 06:08 PM) *

emmanuel moody of USC may be the closest to an Asian running back having at shot at the NFL. (he's half Korean/half black)

There was a running back from U. of Oregon a few years back...Herman Ho Ching...he was half black/half chinese...

Chad Morton played RB too. He was half black/half japanese.

By the way, it's weird, recently the posting system won't let you quote more than one person at a time...it's doing strange things

[antares]

Somewhat like Mauia and Ilaua this year for the Warriors lol.

I'd say they are better than West Kelekipi, who my grandpa would say "would run straight into blockers and fall down after first hit" lol.

I know you follow UH football. There was this japanese running back, back in 1990 or so, that played for UH. I think his name was Richard Higa or something. He was buried at the bottom of the depth chart, like 4th string or 5th string. He was 5'5", 160 pounds (I definately remember his size). I remember him getting into the last game of the season in his senior year. The coaches pretty much let all (and I mean all) the seniors play late in the very last game of the season, no matter how awful they are, as kind of a sentimental thing, since it's their last time playing college ball.

[jurassic5]

nice..u responded to yourself 4 times in row. nice.

[FusionGT2]

Forget running back..try QB lol..now that'd be the day. When I was young I kept saying to myself "I'll be the 1st chinese corner in the NFL" My how that dream faded. I guess 4.38 in the 40 38" Vertical and good ball instincts dont get u far if u are only 5'8 155lbs lol.

[kelsey10.59]

aloha all,

I would like to add to this thread. I am the guy mentioned in the org. post. Kelsey Nakanelua.
Where to start?

First, from my perspective, you cannot compare the athletes winning the Olympic 100 using massive amounts of drugs with guys like me. THis is a long discussion itself.
Second, I ran several 4.2's in the 40 and at 40 years ols I can run a 4.3 no problem.
Third, most RB are not fast period, at least 100 meter track speed fast. So it is only a matter of time that an individual that is Asian/Poly whatever starts in the NFL. Its more about the actual game. Not speed. I played in Canada and actually love football, but never had the ability until to play until I was older and it was too late I needed more time to learn the game.
There are many Asians, PPG, Fijian, that are fast and have size talent etc. They just dont play American Football. In my opinon the PPG atheltes are unreal, fast, big, strong. But sports is not part of their culture.
Anyway, Happy New Year, Hauoli Makahiki hou, Manuia le tausaga fou

Kelsey Nakanelua

[antares]

aloha all,

I would like to add to this thread. I am the guy mentioned in the org. post. Kelsey Nakanelua.
Where to start?

First, from my perspective, you cannot compare the athletes winning the Olympic 100 using massive amounts of drugs with guys like me. THis is a long discussion itself.

Kelsey10.59...your time in the 100 meter dash.
If I did mine that way, it would be like antares12.00 or something like that ...lol yeah, I'm slow...

Anyway, so are you saying that the only reason that black athletes dominate the men's 100 meter dash at the Olympic level, and dominate the RB, CB positions in the NFL is because they use steroids??
That's not a fair statement is it?
Remember Tony Mandarich, who is white. He played OT for Michigan State a while back. At MSU he was 6'5, 310 pounds, and ran a 4.6 40 yard dash. Then as a rookie in the NFL, he showed up in camp at 280 pounds, and looked damn slow and sluggish, that looks like a steroids case to me. There are plenty of white athletes who got busted for using illegal substances in the NFL, MLB, etc. Black athletes are not more inclined to use steroids than white athletes, polynesians, etc... And yet they dominate the NFL, 100 meter dash, etc...

[kelsey10.59]

I believe that anyone winning the 100 meters is using period. Black athletes dominate the skilled positions because of a combo of football savy and speed and agility.
My original position was that you cannot compare an athlete black, white, latino, asian,using drugs (all eight guys in the final) against a non-user. It just so happens that most 100 meter finals are all black athletes at least in the 100. In the last 4 major track meets the 200 was mixed. An asian came in third in Paris 2003 I was there, a greek won in 2000 I was there, I think a greek and latino and asian and euro were in the finals in 2004.
Back to the org. discussion of football. My belief is that sports are a major driver in the black community, in America track and football along with obviously basketball are dominated by black becasue of both their skill and opportunity. In essense, there are more blacks trying to become fast than whites. Look at what is happening to baseball, it was beginning to be dominated by blacks, but instead latinos dominate the game. Look at basketball, it is def. moving in a euro direction. The stars are black and get pub. but its changing because more euros are trying.
This is just a theory based on observation, and 30 years of being in sports, and competing at the Olympic level.
Oh yeah, and without a doubt the drug use in sports in part of the landscape. In all sports.
And finally, I probably wont continue much discussion becasue of my schd. I will be around for another week or two. So any one can post back and I will respond a bit more and then probably go back into doing other things, mainly run. I will be attempting the American and World record for 40 year olds for both the 60 and 100. Jan 20 and Feb 17 in Hawaii for the 60, 100 meters later and if I do well. I have a chance, but it may not happen. we shall see
aloha

[aceyalone]

what i want to know has there ever been an 100% korean nfl football player?? hines ward doesnt count since hes half. has there been? just curious. and will that time ever come? where a 100% korean player is in the NFL...

[antares]

what i want to know has there ever been an 100% korean nfl football player?? hines ward doesnt count since hes half. has there been? just curious. and will that time ever come? where a 100% korean player is in the NFL...

There was OG Eugene Chung who was 100% korean...he was an average OG...

I still say there will never be a 100% asian running back or cornerback as a starter in the NFL...never...

[edward1849]

I thought Eugene Chung was Chinese. but I could be wrong....

Off topic a little bit, but we may have the first Asian head coach in the NFL in Norm Chow. I think he's Chinese.

[LolitaMan]

^ I hope that happens, if not then there's some major racist mini cooper going on.

[FusionGT2]

Second, I ran several 4.2's in the 40 and at 40 years ols I can run a 4.3 no problem.

Im finding that hard to believe. Even world class sprinters like Gatlin was timed in the 40 and was only able to achieve 4.28 or so. But then again hand time is the ONLY way they time the 40 in NFL combines and in team practices.

[antares]

I thought Eugene Chung was Chinese. but I could be wrong....

Off topic a little bit, but we may have the first Asian head coach in the NFL in Norm Chow. I think he's Chinese.

In a biography I read someplace, it says Chung was Korean....

In regards to Norm Chow, yeah, he was a legend at BYU. By the way, BYU recruits many polynesian players, especially from Hawaii's Kahuku high school, which has a large percentage of Mormons (and quite a few Kahuku alumni end up in the NFL). BYU was a team that people in Hawaii loved to hate, because they stole a lot of local players that people here in Hawaii thought should have played for the University of Hawaii instead.

[Jeffversion2]

^ Yeah, alot of players choose bigger colleges overseas to play football, but after gaining back alot of fan support last season I see more local guys going to UH Manoa. I think some running back from Kealakehe from our island is going to UH Manoa after his senior year.

I noticed alot of NFL bound Hawaii players come from California.

And I think Chung is a Korean last name, because my friend's dad is Korean and her last name is Chung.

[antares]

QUOTE(kelsey10.59 @ Jan 1 2007, 03:27 PM) *
Second, I ran several 4.2's in the 40 and at 40 years ols I can run a 4.3 no problem.

Im finding that hard to believe. Even world class sprinters like Gatlin was timed in the 40 and was only able to achieve 4.28 or so. But then again hand time is the ONLY way they time the 40 in NFL combines and in team practices.

I remember seeing a discussion on a track forum (I wish I saved the website addresss) about a similar subject...
I don't know if there has been a scientific study done on it, but what the people were discussing on this one thread in that track forum was how athletes who run fast 40 yard dash times are not fast 100 meter dash sprinters and vice versa...which seems to suggest that great 100 meter sprinters have an extra gear that kicks in sometime after the first 40 yards.
For example, Deion Sanders was electronically timed in the 40 yard dash at 4.29 seconds, but Sanders best time in the 100 meter dash was only around 10.3 seconds. And Gatlin's time in the 2004 Olympics in the 100 meters was 9.85 seconds. Asafa Powell holds the 100 meter record at 9.77 seconds. So I think the theory that great 100 meter sprinters have an extra gear may be true.
But regardless, the fastest times in the 100 meter dash and 40 yard dash are run by black athletes.

[FusionGT2]

QUOTE(kelsey10.59 @ Jan 1 2007, 03:27 PM) *
Second, I ran several 4.2's in the 40 and at 40 years ols I can run a 4.3 no problem.
I remember seeing a discussion on a track forum (I wish I saved the website addresss) about a similar subject...
I don't know if there has been a scientific study done on it, but what the people were discussing on this one thread in that track forum was how athletes who run fast 40 yard dash times are not fast 100 meter dash sprinters and vice versa...which seems to suggest that great 100 meter sprinters have an extra gear that kicks in sometime after the first 40 yards.
For example, Deion Sanders was electronically timed in the 40 yard dash at 4.29 seconds, but Sanders best time in the 100 meter dash was only around 10.3 seconds. And Gatlin's time in the 2004 Olympics in the 100 meters was 9.85 seconds. Asafa Powell holds the 100 meter record at 9.77 seconds. So I think the theory that great 100 meter sprinters have an extra gear may be true.
But regardless, the fastest times in the 100 meter dash and 40 yard dash are run by black athletes.

Ya the 40 is based totally on acceleration whereas 100m is based on overall top end speed. Still to be able to run 4.2 you must be pretty damn quick. I only know a few ppl in the NFL who can run 4.2s and thats Deion Sanders, Michael Vick, and Tim Dwight. There's probably a couple others, but yeah, its pretty tough to hit 4.2s more than once. Then again HANDTIME is way different than acutrak. My 100m for acutrak was around 11.1 or 11.2 whereas handtime was 10.6

[jurassic5]

i'm asian....i drank a 40 in 4 seconds flat. nice.

<3 beer bongs..mmmm

[epark1281]

wait, why are we even talking just about ASIAN running backs?
Are there any WHITE running backs? Not full backs, half backs. (any decent ones).
Besides, it's pointless to talk about 40 times. Even if you run a sub 4.4 40, if you weigh 170 lbs, ur not going to be a good running back. The reason why the halfback position is difficult to play is because it requires instinct, vision, speed, strength, and agility. If you run a 4.2 40 but weigh less than 200 lbs, you'll get knocked around.